"The Coming Civil War with David Betz"
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2025
- In this episode of the Brussels Horizon Podcast, Professor David Betz discusses with @ralph-schoellhammer the alarming potential for civil war in Western societies, emphasizing that the primary threat is internal rather than external.
He explores the role of elites, the impact of #multiculturalism and the significant expectation gaps that have emerged in contemporary #society .
Betz argues that the current elite class is increasingly disconnected from the populace, leading to widespread discontent and the potential for civil unrest. He also highlights the historical context and educational shifts that have contributed to this situation, ultimately speculating on the future of societal stability in the #west . In this conversation, David Betz discusses the disillusionment with #democracy , the implications of managed democracy, and the potential for civil unrest in the West.
He highlights the dangers of expectation gaps and the failure of traditional political control methods. Betz also examines the impact of external pressures, particularly in relation to the #ukraine conflict, and the growing possibility of civil war in various countries. He contrasts the situation in Central and Eastern Europe, which appears more stable, with the increasing instability in Western nations.
The concept of 'feral cities' is introduced, describing urban areas that are poorly governed and facing significant social challenges.
Finally, Betz raises the question of whether we have already passed a tipping point in societal stability.
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Im from the former Yugoslavia, Croatia specifically. The whole Brotherhood and Unity (that was the enforced ideology of the commu ist party) thing was real, and people believed it. Until they didn't, and that comes fast. It went from brotherhood and unity to tribal/ ethnic hatred at the snap of a finger. I was young, and that surprised me, people older and wiser weren't so surprised. In the Balkans ethnic identity was always rooted deeper than any imposed ideology anyways, so, in a sense, it was like a tiger caged but always waiting to come out. People live in a kind of illusion of permanency. They just imagine things never changing. All of Europe in July 28 1914 believed things would never change. Then came July 29. Get ready UK....
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Mi6 and the Monday club had other ideas. If anyone wanted to go back to the Utashe Waffen SS battling Communist Partisans, they were already dead by the end of World War II.
Men are soft and just need a job and some c*nt kept scarce by jewish economic collapse and docial collapse.
IRA,Basque Seperatists, and others all proved these things could be settled like gentelman with car bombs.
On Latin America, these are service sector economies, not marxist rebels in the countryside and shut down rapidly.
The twin problems ate the poison of Zionism and Hinduvata Theocracies. My thieving Indian landlord and Jewish employers in central London were just the shadow of the Eastetn Mystery and the Talmud.
Tito put on pause what existed in WWII. One of the most brutal killing grounds, and overlooked by the Western Allies.
The stories coming out during the Bosnian Serbian conflict were horrific and stunning in the savagery.
As an observer, I have noted that the inevitable CW in Western Europe will pose among the most problematic foreign policy conundrums for the US ( more than Ukraine).
Woke ( supporting the non-natives ) VS. Traditionals supporting the European Indigenous.
And will draw in forces supporting the recent “ Guests.”
As did the conflict in the former Yugoslavia.
Was it really brewing? Really? Or was it stoked? There is a lot I could unpack here, but I believe it was stoked, historical trauma is not much different in a group than a person. Hence how easily Ukraine was stoked. UK shouldn't prepare for this. I believe they need to take the bureaucracy back into National interest and do it fast.
actually, I'm kind of encouraged that there is enough people disgusted with the Western system to do something about it rather than just succumb to a complete totalitarian future. so this is encouraging
I was completely unaware of Professor David Betz. Agree or disagree, he knows his sources and adds very valuable reflection to this increasingly concerning issue.
this is the best interview I have seen with Betts, so I thank you for the excellent format
Yes, he's getting better at them.
I had noticed this too, but i also think its down to the quality of the interviewer and his questions. Ive watched of Betz's interviews and youre right, this is his best yet
Some people have forgotten or are unaware of what europeans are capable of, especially in warfare.
I somewhat agree with that statement. But unfortunately Europe has imported millions that are starting to outnumber the indigenous European population. What then? In the end … it’s a numbers game.
Organisation is the key to a civilisation's success. Note how the targets will be displaced and essentially on the back foot. Quite a clever strategy when understanding what they could be capable of as a uniformed movement. An alternative concept is how it will be easier (for whoever is orchestrating this) to clean up the brute-forces later, than it would be to address a gritty populace.
Unfortunately conflict now appears inevitable. We certainly do not have a political class of a calibre to avoid it.
We are about to go through Everything that northern Ireland went through for so many dacades. Only it will be a lot worse.
The traitor class would be a better descriptor
Who is "we"? US / UK/ Switzerland...?
@@julilab All of them. All of Christendom.
@@julilab The West as a whole.
I was a Christian missionary to Russia after the Wall came down and I found it interesting that the Russians were strictly Marxist educated. but then when I went on vacation in Europe, I found that ideologically the Europeans were really being taught almost the same ideology... It was a form of Marxism, and that helped me to realize exactly what was structuring American education as well, but veiled in different terms but still would produce what I would originally call the California and New York ideology which then spread to the rest of the nation capitals and then to the smaller school districts
Oppressed vs Oppressor.
Yes, it’s the mindset of many of the Millennials in the US.
I had friends also in post -USSR Russia doing missionary work.
And he, with his family, was former US military, a fighter pilot !
Connecting with his Cold War adversaries !
Best to you ~
Something clearly has to change from the current political paradigm. Unbridled (and politically encouraged) immigration has left the UK a powder keg of disenfranchisement.
It will only be the PEOPLE that create this change. The Political class will do nothing.
Austerity and the stratospheric inequality it and neoliberalism has produced is the issue.
One of the best interview I've listened to about a potential civil war. Also looks great for 60. Crazy how much of a difference good hair makes
Deportations of a certain group.
Yeah, leftwing voters. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The rich?
One of the basic principles of democracy is that voting defuses anger and allows power to shift. but when the government circumvents that for power they don't realize what they are doing
In America I don’t think the governments have cared. They want power and money and I am sorry if this sounds awful but look at the ages of most politicians. I am betting to some they’re thinking “I won’t be alive in 10 to 15 years” who cares what happens to this or any western country. Just my theory by the way.
So does free speech and we have neither as white people in our ancestral homes.
When Trump instigates a storming the Capital with a mob over losing a election.
The death of the managerial class.
hopefully in the literal sense.
@@lesb-fe2jfAs long as that includes the kayaks.
I kind’a agree with you… at least more & more people seem to be becoming aware of, & alarmed by the situation…
being born and raised in detroit, michigan, the poster city of rust, i was having this discussion 40 years ago.
I didn't hear the elderly dog. And letting him lay where he wants to is the right decision.
Hear, hear! 😊
Best !!! Excellent Interveiw.
Even the few remaining WWII vets have been saying for years that Britain is in a sorry state, that's probably worse than anything Hitler would have done to it.
As a ‘Yank’ who’s father served in ‘Patton’s 3rd Army’ originally billeted in Britain before ‘D-Day’, I am sure you are correct.
It must be so disorienting to remember what they fought against, & are now surrounded by…
Their sense of betrayal must be immense.
The only thing that could avoid this would be remigration
Far easier to just jail those who openly call for remigration.
Feral cities, London, Birmingham.
So very, very true. I have on a both intellectual and spiritual level known this for at least the last 15 years. It is very depressing. But the most depressing factor is how indoctrinated most people are. Thank you from Norway!
Jeg synes at Norge vil har det fint. Ikke bekymre deg.
In my experience, it seems that we all drink the Kool-Aid to some extent. Have you noticed that everybody thinks that they are the rational, intelligent, informed one, while everyone else is irrational and an idiot? Worse still, is that reality, expertise, and history is being turned on its head here in the US. Not having a framework and common recognition of what history is, what reality is, what science has discovered, along with shared values, means a nation probably cannot survive.
BTW, I was in Norway in the fall of 1987, courtesy of the US military. (We trained with NATO forces.) I loved seeing the northern lights!
I am beginning to realise civil war is inevatable. We have to redirect some of our thoughts to ask what this means, and in particular do we have the courage to stand up to our brainwashed liberal mindsets? Can realise that nothing is worth dying for if that response to government treachery and Islamic terror ends in civil war, unless it ends up with native British people restoring to at least to a 90% majority of the population? And can we be willing to accept and support a real far right masculine goverment that will have the guts to remigrate millions? 50% of schoolchildren in the UK are now non-European, a large number of them and their families have to go home. Ask the farmers and they will tell you that a dog born in a stable is not a horse. Citizenship handed out like sweets without the permission of the people are worth nothing and must be treated as such..
You’re going to have to depose the King too
@@joanmavima5423Charles III is definitely part of the problem. I strongly suspect that William is a woke non-Christian. Perhaps Edward of Edinburgh is the next most traditional successor.
@@joanmavima5423 Am In...... Sounds Awesome, He The King Is Not For The White Working Class British People, So No Great Loss
@@joanmavima5423 We have always replaced bad kings, it would be better if the royal family came into line but William is as bad or worse than Charles. However, if it comes to it if there is a royal anywhere in Britain or Europe who is given to nationaism and a blood and soil, family values conservative it could be considered.
How many generations do we go back before we can call somebody British? How many people would need to be killed to ensure a 90% British population? Or, do you advocate forcing British women to have 8 or 10 children for the next four generations?
Demographically, British people are on the decline we're just not reproducing.
In America, I uniquely experienced this education change because I moved from a rural area to an urban one. my rural years I spent learning one set of traditional nationalistic values, and later the schools were international, atheistic, environmental, and anti-human. so I saw when I was 18 that this was creating two massive groups of people with opposing values who had no common ground and they are incompatible. so one side has to win and that is why I believe Mass migration was basically an attempt attempt to help collapse society and import an army they could use to fight for their side.
We see you've picked your side and buy into the appropriate conspiracies. Check. Us "anti-human" staff officers with our teeming divisions of armed and angry immigrants are coming for you and yours, brother! BOO!
Semper Fi
Realistic and horribly alarming. More than 10 years ago I had experiences in Bristol and Birmingham, as well as London that caused me to question what was happening in England - discussing this with friends (and being somewhat concerned with my own conclusions) their response was that I was over-reacting. I now know I was (then) given an insight into things to come.
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Thank you Gentlemen for an uplifting presentation. I appreciate the food for thought.
social capital is discussed in wendell berry’s book “the unsettling of america”. it is basically about the disintegration of the family farm that made up over 40% of the population and was what you have called a bridging capital. the monsantos of the world don’t have the same skin in the game of a country as the farming family had.
True. Even many townspeople had a plot large enough for a milk cow, chickens & a vegetable garden.
My dad grew up in Twin falls ID in the 20s and had all that.
Did anyone else want to say hello to his dog?
I used to worry there would be a civil war. Now I worry there won't be.
6:08 That's why I feel the word failure as a description of this is something of a misnomer. It is in fact a huge accomplishment in social political terms. It took great effort, determination and skill for things to get this bad.
I'm a fan of clever sarcasm.
The question is, it took a lot of effort, determination and skill by who? It helps to know your enemy.
@jandavidson7093 by the ruling classes. The elite. By politicians, intellectuals and the woke.
It was orchestrated by well intentioned people.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
@jandavidson7093our leaders The elite.
@jandavidson7093we aren't allowed to speak of the masters.
@jandavidson7093we spend too much time trying to work it out. It's almost a trap in itself. The targets must instead accept and address the mechanisms they are using for subjucation.
It's quite astonishing that the whole discussion is made without identifying the elephant in the room. Which are the two sides, and who are these ethnicities being mentioned? This is why Tommy Robinson is popular. He has the courage to speak clearly and not weave around in circles, hinting at the problem. Without identifying the problem clearly, how can a solution be found? Imagine if your mechanic spoke like that.
Naming the hatters is basically illegal
@@whisper8742Correct. Giving the problem a name would be a de-platforming act. We would then be deprived of this censored discussion.
He likes his job. The truth gets you fired and perhaps imprisoned
He identified Islamic forces being one of the sides in another video
Is Mister Robinson not in prison?
It happened as the result of who held narrative power at the end of WW2
Southport was the tipping point.
The sexual revolution wrecked us.
A real delight. Two very clever people in conversation. Even when we can't put a finger on a thing often we can feel it. About twenty years ago I said to my father who served in the second world war that he had lived through the high water mark. I said things are going down and nothing will stop it now. I often wonder what he really thought about that.
Some things are more important than feelings. One of them is this: however 'irregular' you consider it, no civil war can occur in a developed country with one of the most competent intelligence services in the world without serious levels of elite defection. Even the 'rogue barracks' incidents in places like Argentina typically only managed to gain concessions from government. And Betz will not even touch on that minimal level of elite splintering; he can say 'peasant revolt', but will not mention Florian Geyer.
Now it does not require any wrongdoing on Betz's part to take pains to not go into this aspect of things - there are fairly obvious reasons why it's touchy territory for a public intellectual to dig into - but it's very important that the people watching *do* think about these things.
What forces will be capable of anti-infrastructure activity, for instance? Well, we do have an example Betz has raised - that of Ulster. And we see, with groups like the PAF and MRF, along with tracing the routes that groups like the UVF took to arm themselves (often from armories whose guards were 'asleep' while they 'sneaked' in), that even this low-level stuff - and I cannot stress this enough - requires tacit if not active support from the security and intelligence services.
I think it highly unlikely any such tacit acceptance, let alone support, will be forthcoming, but in any case the nature of this is such as to wholly shape the unfolding of the conflict that will follow it, and ignoring it brings one close to incoherence.
@@Pinkdam interesting, i need to look up some of your references. You do seem to echo the view that 'conflict' is coming none-the-less though? its just the shape of it you question?
@@shelleyscloud3651 There is always some manner of conflict in any large society. But civil war is something which requires organisation. The security services are on the lookout for anything that even resembles organisation; and they can stop it if they don't like what they see. So without either splintering in the security/intelligence areas, or their deciding to let certain groups operate 'on a leash' - as they did in Ulster - there is not going to be any civil war.
You are not even so much as engaging in counter-infrastructure manoeuvres without organisation - see the UVF (a fairly well-infiltrated group by military intelligence) and their operations against power plant in the Republic of Ireland. So really, the group to keep eyes on are not the generality of the population, but those in key sectors touching on security.
If these have no appetite for conflict (and this could involve 'picking sides' or it could not, or something halfway in-between, as in Ulster), you can bet there won't be anything more than a few bins being knocked over like last summer. If they do - or if part of them does - things change significantly.
@@shelleyscloud3651 There is always some manner of conflict in any large society. But civil war is something which requires organisation. The security services are on the lookout for anything that even resembles organisation; and they can stop it if they don't like what they see. So without either splintering in the security/intelligence areas, or their deciding to let certain groups operate 'on a leash' - as they did in Ulster - there is not going to be any civil war.
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One is not even so much as engaging in anti-infrastructure manoeuvres without organisation - see the UVF (a fairly well-scouted group by military intelligence) and their operations against power plant in the Republic of Ireland. So really, the group to keep eyes on are not the generality of the population, but those in key sectors touching on security.
Is it not ironic we could be seeing eastern European peace keeping forces in our UK enclaves.
Depends on whether the sensible Eastern Europeans wish to risk their young people on the outcome of the foolish Western Europeans.
They seem to have no cultural roots. They don't identity with their own people, as if they've been disconnected over an extended period of time - as in generations; perhaps the reason they believe rural people to be less intelligent. Having culture and roots does make us less intelligent in some senses, but much more intelligent and wise in other ways. Rural people have this in spades - especially farming families.
Peasant revolts seldom work out too well for the peasants. Central authority usually makes token symbolic gestures before crushing the well meaning, disorganised and gulible peasants.
True, but that only works when the central authority still possesses enough resources to facilitate those token gestures.
The central authority in this case doesn't even have its own steel manufacturing any more
Never. There is only ever a "circulation of elites". Once that's understood one can start thinking rationally.
This fact is neither a good nor bad thing. It's just "a thing.
The peasants can still hope that the outcome of political turnover might be somehow in their favour
JamesDelaney those wgere the days wgere we were ethnically homogeneous. The civil war will be between ethnic groups. The elites will either have to pick a side or watch. Different dynamic - ethnicity not class
@@alexdavis1541we can only hope that's correct. If it becomes crystal clear to all that there's no way out via voting in the next local and general election people are likely to look to other means. No one wants that
Yes 6 minutes 25 seconds. Yes I agree it's all by design 100% they've been planning this for a very very long time.
AGENDA 2030 AGENDA 2030 AGENDA 2030 AGENDA 2030 people must understand what this means otherwise they won't understand why this is happening and who was behind it.
dont think so, logically they could crash the economy tomorrow and usher in their reset, but they're profiting off the status quo quite well still.
I also remember the early days of the EU and feeling excited that Europe would become a new United States with one currency and was honestly shocked when I saw the EU turn quickly from an economic alliance into an entity that desired global control and a new world order that the leaders were happy to enforce with an iron fist while maintaining peaceful language... They simply used the Marxist of redefining terms like democracy, the people, and New World order. the democracy they were planning was democracy with a capital D like the Marxist where supposedly the people take over the government and they were the people and that assumes then that the new people will also have to form a government which is contradictory to the real definition of what they're stating
Look at all those friggin books !
Physical books are good. They cannot be censored by the latest incarnation of the globalist elite.
13:11 This situation was what sparked the large revolutions in the late 1700, where the merchant class and intellectual class had grown massively to a point, where they wanted a bit of the cake. The coming civil war will be much more disorganized, due to the larger populations and multiple causes - and it will be fuelled by the working class, ignited by dissatisfaction with a ruling class disengaged in the working class, censorship, austerity and inequality.
While the ruling class has no interest in a civil war, it has huge interest in setting up the working class against itself to distract it from attacking the ruling class - as it does now in fascist fashion, either by identity politics or immigration politics.
i don't buy this whole "the elite wants the divisions" narrative because it's a facile analysis and implies the elite could have avoided the entire thing by just not creating these client groups. and it is fundamentally contrary to reality where they are quite clearly doing everything they can to function as a colonial government and prevent all possibility of conflict -- in hamfisted and poorly planned means that ultimately make it worse -- sure -- but this is only obvious because of modern technological circumstances which they are doing their utmost to crack down on.
A revolution seldom ends well for the poor.
Why revolt when you can check out and refuse to play the game. We can check out en masse and allow the system to fail by itself.
@@Brakka86 sure, if they/you physically can leave. Pacifists tied to their location sound like they would still be in real danger of these scenarios.
Popular government IS a myth legitimizing the elite political class. We needed enough people talking over the Internet about their experiences between promises and results of this system to reach a consensus on the matter. Libertarians and Political Realism theoreticians have understood this for centuries; now the average educated adult has access to these ideas.
And what a convenient time for a reduction of the awakening middle class (again) 😢
of course in America we enthusiastically embraced the vision of NAFTA and were pleased to bring the rest of the world up to our living standards. when the real goal was for our wealthy elite to get richer and collapse labor costs in our country so they could consolidate wealth and power which obviously happened so that the only good jobs were on the coast or in small pockets of the large cities while the average home could no longer fix their roof or afford a vehicle and the government did not even provide public transportation to assist with the changes they were making like making car ownership unaffordable. so the elite did not compensate for some of these basic emergencies that would happen and cause major resentment. now in America many homes have to be multi-generational simply because people have to have cars and homes are too expensive to own by yourself unless you work in software, law, or higher medicine
I’ve said for 10+ years a civil war in the U.S. was inescapable. But I’ve expected it to be 100 to 200 years away.
Corruption of expectations. Exactly
Great Interview!
Extraordinary interview...
Those scenarios are terribly bleak for the unorganised and non-strategic in the face of mob violence. Fair to say the social contracts have clearly been broken. Just as the middle class is beginning to wake up to the goings on, will there be time to correct the course? Or should I say, will there be those with the appropriate stealth and strategy able to correctly assess the opportunity cost early enough to put everything on the line now to stop it?
Sensible remigration is the only humane and peaceful response. If that doesn't happen I think the UK will be lost.
There won't be a civil war.
Also it's not the middle class it's the boomers who are perpetually living in post 1940s framing. And who have torn everything down so they can be as comfortable as possible from cradle to grave
TBF tho boomers are most of the middle class because young people can get jobs afford homes cars or holidays.
Very very few are making themselves available.
TR was used as an example.
History is replete with imprisoned opposition.
@joanmavima5423 stealth is extremely important, martyrdom is self-defeating.
He keeps using the term "post-national", which is a grotesque euphemism, implying historical inevitability, typical of totalitarian language and thought. "Anti-national" or "globalist" would be preferable terms.
Using globalist repeatedly in a negative context might get the interview shadow banned or a strike against the host. The system does fight back and this platform is securely in the camp of the post nationalists.
depressing, but brutally interesting. Thanks a lot and happy Easter.
Minute 25:00 the host asks why the elites hate their own. I would suggest that the women’s movement played a role, competing for resources and portraying men in contemptuous ways to gain power over them. Privileged women taking the positions from upwardly mobile men from the working classes. Feminism creating stronger class divisions.
I also wonder this. I think it goes back further. People can be feral and there is a lot to point to as their failings to give someone the higher ground. Also psychopathy runs in families, is a non-guaranteed genetic trait. Some Lords were very benevolent, but were essentially working as Doves among Hawks - the real battle. I think the explanation that they have changed their allegiance to a global stance (yet there are some that see the situation as invidious) is evident.
Thank you
My wife is British born Chinese, as is one of my best friends, and another is British Jamaican. All three are very much a part of this society and are inseparable other than how they look, but what terrifies me as that they too could be caught up in the possible overreaction that could come about from a pushback to enforced multiculturalism.
And it’s all so avoidable.
The best way to avoid it would have been for them to have never been in the UK to begin with.
If they fight on the side of returning to British and European traditionalism they will be fine. You need to start thinking on what is going to happen to White British people when they become the MINORITY everywhere in their own ancestral homeland.
This is the problem with mass migration, assimilability is not a consideration. East Asians assimilate well in Western societies because of basic shared principals. Other foreign cultures are nothing but a burden upon the host country and an injustice toward the native ethnicity.
I disagree. Although the numbers should have been kept much, much lower (like they would have been back then) and assimilation was expected and not just a choice.
Also, I think it’s bonkers that all cultures are essentially considered equal, when it’s obviously not the case.
Some cultures will simply not mix well.
Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam and the West
by Christopher Caldwell
July 2010
Known for a long time.
Also “ Gates of Vienna “, a blog covering these subjects dating back to the same time.
Counter-Jihad Conferences held in Copenhagen.
Many of us have been following this subject for nearly two decades.
With the UK for an example. Do you think there is any major power that would interfere if there was a coup and the bureaucracy was reclaimed in the National interest?
I think it depends on where the UK armed forces stood. If they are on side and commit a military coup, I can’t see another country getting involved. In fact, I wonder why Betz never mentions the prospect of a military coup. Perhaps it’s something one can’t in his position, raise as a possible outcome.
@TheFragilityOfIdeas I was thinking that a military coup would be frowned upon, but that's just an old-world-view lense I needed to shake and I do see your point. Likely targeted groups may find that hard to pin their hopes on though. If instead the military stood neutral or simply took orders from a new bureaucracy to prevent the police from acting. Who do you suspect would be likely to interfere? Neighbours are likely to be tied up in their own situation and scrambling to stop the domino effect.
@@jane8239 I think it the military remained neutral, that would defacto make that in opposition to the state apparatus, which they are part of. All bets are off then. Let’s imagine though that they are ‘neutral’, then should another military power enter the fray, they will surely be activated. That’s pretty moot though as I can’t see the military standing down unless the scuffles are just on and off skirmishes like the Latin American style dirty war that Betz has mentioned before. I would like to think that the US would come to the aid of the British people, and they even have military bases on UK soil, so it could be a US military puppet government installed until things are sorted out. That would mean a 51st state type scenario and if we aren’t vassals currently, we will be. That, though a historical humiliation, would be preferable and ‘save’ Britain from itself, at least. Now we are starting to get into the fantasy realm though, so to bring it back down to earth, check out this recent video about a secret military coup committed in the UK last century.
ruclips.net/video/AmKIa9dWI8E/видео.htmlsi=qjP2-9UdF2MI1sLV
Most Americans i talk to belive the UK is a islamic nation currently under occupation by Brussel's stoodes and the bank of London. I think Americans would tend to lean twords supporting the native population and whatever they decide organically which is easy to tell because all opposite forces seem to be in a replacing agenda
@@TheFragilityOfIdeas thanks for humouring the idea. Sadly I don't think anyone is coming to save the UK from this tragic trajectory.
post national and elite. yes and yes. i have thought of the media as power allowed on the one hand and of the of the elite as they themselves identify.
My son is about to hit 16 but i have been teaching him and preparing him for what is and has been happening. Some of his friends are "awake" but only in so far as theyve naturally been reacting to the trans and LGBTQI+++ stuff happening in their schools. However the majority of them are like we might have been when we were teenagers (im 52 and hit my teens in 1986) but i only started becoming "aware" because my dad started warning me about i.sl.am when i was 15. Everyone needs to be preparing their children in an age appropriate way for the futire they'll find themselves in, because without our kids there is no future for us English 😢
So... basically the society from the hunger games.
But without the actual games part is where we are heading.
Based on what Betz says, we'd be skipping straight to the end of the 75th games where district 13 fought to cut the Capitol off from all the other districts from where it extracts its resources. Cut off and isolated, the Capitol turns into a clusterfuck.
The end goal has now been openly stated in Technology Review, Ethically sourced “spare” human bodies could revolutionize medicine: "These challenges stem in large part from a common root cause: a severe shortage of ethically sourced human bodies." Whatever will happen in AI or robotics will happen with nothing to check it regulatory-wise. The same cannot be said for the data that will be required to achieve the human immortality project, or at least an advance in lifespan that will outpace aging. Note the key phrase "ethically sourced human bodies". What is striking is that in a world that for decades has had billions of desperate people willing to sell themselves into any form of servitude, there is no framework at all for medical experimentation on humans to move the needle for lifespan, no experimental bandwidth. It is almost as if the planet instinctively recognizes such research will in the end only benefit a few hundred at most billionaires. "Ethically sourced" means the data has to be acquired from developed nations, preferably, Western, and from subpopulations whose genetics are roughly similar to those of the billionaire elites. Yes, there actually is now a reason for the elites to push for a collapse of societal structures, once the hoped-for AI and robotics advances enable the complete replacement of all ordinary labor, whether physical or mental.
@@johnphamlore8073 that just blew my mind, sounds like an epic plot. But wouldn't they want a controlled situation if that was the case, I mean what if the most precious organs/specimens got destroyed in the chaos? Also, many billionaire elites aren't European.
@@jane8239nearly all the real ones are of proto european or semitic decent, a handful of asians do exist though china is its own thing. There are no african trillionaires. Yes i said trillionaires. All top richest pll in the word lists are pretend richest in the world, they are the still taxed richest but are dwarfed by people like Putin, the waldin/rothchild/Rockefellers/house saud and so on.
The centralisation of literally everything, and the very very end goal is depopulation.
@@jane8239if there's a total brake down of society it will give them the excuse they need to bring in martial law and total societal control.
Did you read the tech review article? They are talking about growing "bodyoids" without nervous systems as source of organs and tissues for regenerative med. They are not talking about harvesting whole living human bodies with nervous systems, i.e. "real people".
The problem is austerity and inequality and the pitting of working class against working class. As usual.
Matthew Goodwin - Value, Voice and Virtue. Peter Turchin - End Tmes.
Goodwin, seeking higher classes all the time.
My question is this: will the people hurt each other, or will they reach the elite that caused all that?
The elite is the hand shaking the ant jar and the ants inside might tear into the managerial ants
Ya riiiight, you guys are going to rise up and shake your little fist, then go back to sleep.
I will believe it when I see it.
Very good interview. You should have kept it going though
Woyzeck, Georg Büchner " has he eaten his peas" -> today "have you had your injection" ... it is called absolutism.
Instead of peas, insects (containing chitin) hidden in usual products...
I’m curious as to why the education system would want to destroy prepolitical loyalties
The tipping point has been initiated by Southport and the G gangs.
Is Australia immune from this ?
No , it is like Canada becoming India.
@@pincermovement72we don’t have ghettos like England where police negotiate access
@@brendanjdarcy1 Yet
No. We are screwed
@@brendanjdarcy1yes we do.
So most of the people who don't have strong national ties or kind of like neo mercantilists?
Is this professor based?
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He ended rather briefly. No surprise there 😢
Horrible stuttering, damn it man
It maybe because he's scared of being arrested for 'h8 speech'
He's not a BBC presenter, he's a professor of War. Perhaps you would rather listen to the likes of Huw Edwards.
"Nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom.." (Jesus on signs of the end times)
So appropriate on Holy Thursday.
David Betz is going to fight himself?
LOL, why should he? He is Canadian.
@@Globaldave1970 Apparently there's a David Betz civil war coming.
It wont be that kind of civil war, it will be exactly what North Ireland went through for so many dacades. Only it was be much much worse.
@@Globaldave1970That explains the ambiguity. He comes from a country that loves to hate itself.
He said in some other video that he's a late middle-aged man so he's probably incapable of doing anything about it
The idea that Birmingham has “no go zones” or a “third world” health care system is frankly laughably disingenuous. This guy is a liar.
Similarly, has the host any idea of how to interview a person? I counted the number of challenges he put to his guest. Which was zero.
Is that so? Are you from Birmingham?
The vikings are coming
The Vikings have their own problems in Sweden.😂
But the ENGLISH have no weapons
Neither did the Rwandans .
A simple Marxist analysis would hsve done the same job in a fraction of the time.
Nevertheless, good discussion.
traditional marxism would agree for sure but it would hardly go into the more granular mechanisms from a military science perspective. sometimes you have to do more than broadly say "this outcome can happen."
Marxism may explicate but also intensifies factionalism.
@@lestermason2687 hmm, I don't think it would make it any worse really. I'm not a marxist but this is fundamentally an elites vs working class topic. i don't know how pointing that out would make it worse, I'm sure all the players involved know this already.
Your guest needs to correct his speech by stopping his constant "ah's." It's extremely annoying and makes him appear less intelligent.
Professor David Betz of Kings college London needs to correct his stutter*
How's your Dutch?
Betz ignores the fact that power always fills a vacuum, and that before things get out of hand, in a developed society somebody takes charge, with a monopoly of force. British and Swedish cities are not Mogadishu or Port au Prince, awash with AK-47s and pickup trucks in the hands of numerous militias or gangs, with no legitimate central government. The police and army still exist as unified forces and can crush any opposition when a state of emergency is declared. In the US, only one of the two civilian parties is armed, and is likely to command the support of the rank and file of the armed forces, so an open war is most unlikely when one side has all the force it needs if things get to that point. Only when the state loses its monopoly, or at least primacy, of force, can anarchy take over, producing a failed state, or a civil war if one or more forces sees the potential of total victory. At this point, Western countries are not in any danger of that. Rule-of-law democracies are slow to react until a crisis bursts upon them, but then they react with deadly ruthlessness, niceties be damned (to which the inhabitants of Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Gaza can attest).
I think that _you_ underestimate how weak the police is in the UK.
This is disguised well by the fact that at the moment the ethnic English are extremely compliant and un-criminally minded, but as he pointed out, the 2011 riots utterly overwhelmed the police.
Sure. Any organised attempt to overthrow them will probably be crushed due to lack of numbers, but what about a disorganised attempt?
As Betz suggests, an insurgent group seeking power only needs to cut off cities from the resources they depend on (food, electricity, gas, petrol) to make life there unliveable. Once that happens, the ordinary people will protest, riot, or simply freak out generally not knowing what else to do. How will the police control that?
Despite the fact that one side of the conflict would be a clear winner in the US, literally grinding the other into dirt, that side continues to provoke without a thought to the consequences of their endless provocations and antagonism.
Hm. What about the scenes from all the US cities where zombies walk the streets and tent cities arise? What is the army doing? Where is the force you speak about?
Hyperbole
This wordy academic with an inflated opinion of himself should stop trying to encourage unrest in the UK! We in the UK can resolve our differences via other means.
Thats an opinion. Someone said that to me on X last night. I dont agree with it, but its an opinion.
Again, don't listen to the government bot.
Use your brain, don't let them switch it off, as it were.
You mean disregard the wishes of the vast majority for the preferences of the globalists? That is simply put progressive authoritarianism.
This guy is spouting right wing nonsense.
he doesn't want war.
Go back to sleep.
Don't listen to the government bot. It just wants you to not listen so you don't think.
Glad the host asked about Eastern Europe. Good job, host! Usually they miss some key points, but he nailed that one.
As far as civil war goes, one major question I would like to have answered is, who do so many of these conflicts result in civil war when a seemingly easy way to preempt them would be to divide the country along ideological lines. Surely as countries begin seriously to move in that direction, one would think it would become abundantly apparent people would opt for a plan for separation rather than have to confront a shooting war. I've long argued that separation is needed before a civil war breaks out and at first I thought, due to Western countries being so far removed from violence for so long and its history as a civilized people that the shock of even a possibility of civil war would trigger calls for separation. Now I'm less certain of that since few people seem to be talking about it and many more speak of war. Current examples of people calling for separation have resulted in them being labeled as kooks even with so many outwardly worried about open warfare. Can anybody explain this?
A few reasons.
1) Since the second world war there has been a general consensus that national borders should be preserved for their own sake.
2) There may not be a geographical fault line along which a border can be drawn. Think of Rwanda, could you draw a line in Rwanda to seperate the Tutsis and Hutus? No lol, they lived in the same villages, in the same towns, in the same cities. This isn't the USA in 1861 where you can just go "Well people below the line like slavery and people north of it don't so we just turn the line into a border"
3) People are often deluded enough to think they can smooth things over until it's far too late. To choose separation is to say that the issue is irreconcilable, which many are unwilling to do and would rather keep trying to patch things up until violence simply errupts and it can't be stopped. In the words of Colonel John Sheppard: "I've seen fighter pilots like this, lost my friends in combat. They couldn't accept it, kept trying to fix their plane, RIGHT UNTIL IT HIT THE GROUND!!" You are suggesting people hit the eject button, but people still think they can save the plane.
Sure, in some instances this can work, but mostly it just won't
@DukeofTxtspeak I totally agree with your three points. It's a shame that it's not talked about more so people could see there are solutions that exists for things like geographically intermixed countries, as you mentioned. One solution that sounds pretty good would be for people who aren't ready to move merely to declare their intended side. They could then have a large window of time--years or decades--to make that move, if not an indefinite window. In the meantime they would just be treated like legal aliens within the country they are currently residing: following their laws, paying their taxes but not being able to vote. Perhaps only retirement plans would be paid to the country of intended citizenship. This would allow people to move in their own time.
I’m English so why should I give up part of my ancestral home to people that can return home , who I never wanted or asked to come here ?
@ Unfortunately, your ancestral home has ancestors that are ready to sell you and its people down the river. And it's probably about half the population. Real fast: These are people who probably don't have the capacity to even understand the tenets of the enlightenment. Their brains just aren't designed for it. At some point humanity hit a cross roads with only half the population capable of objective thought and primarily rational thinking. It enabled the enlightenment, which was where we were before now. Something about male chemistry sparks the modification more readily than in women. When women started voting independently of their husbands, that's when everything broke down.
Unfortunately, your ancestral home has ancestors that are ready to sell you and its people down the river. And it's probably about half the population. Real fast: These are people who probably don't have the capacity to even understand the tenets of the enlightenment. Their brains just aren't designed for it. At some point humanity hit a cross roads with only half the population capable of objective thought and primarily rational thinking. It enabled the enlightenment, which was where we were before now. Something about male chemistry sparks the modification more readily than in women. When women started voting independently of their husbands, that's when everything broke down.
This guy is high on his own farts
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